1 00:00:01,835 --> 00:00:04,399 OK, come on! 2 00:00:05,261 --> 00:00:09,516 What have I done? Come on, tell me, what did I do? 3 00:00:09,932 --> 00:00:13,546 No, I like your accent... - Do you like my accent? - You say I'm going to ask you something... you say... 4 00:00:14,115 --> 00:00:21,922 - I love him. Do you know the English accent? - A little. 5 00:00:14,115 --> 00:00:24,798 Okay. - I'm happy. 6 00:00:25,427 --> 00:00:29,181 Nice to meet you too. 7 00:02:07,701 --> 00:02:11,509 - LIFE WITH MICHAEL JACKSON - 8 00:02:15,863 --> 00:02:19,665 Eight months ago, I made an offer to Michael Jackson, 9 00:02:20,217 --> 00:02:24,971 show me the right man, but show me everything, without any restrictions. 10 00:02:25,390 --> 00:02:30,313 He thought about it and said, "Yes, come to Neverland." 11 00:02:33,272 --> 00:02:38,001 Are you coming here alone? - Yes. - at what frequency? - Always. 12 00:02:38,255 --> 00:02:41,211 Are you just coming alone? - Yes. Are you coming for a ride? - Yes. 13 00:02:41,617 --> 00:02:44,840 Do you see the carousel over there? - I play music...I like to play 14 00:02:45,067 --> 00:02:51,642 classic carousel music, something like "Chilhood" or "Smile"... 15 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,951 or “People” by Barbara Strainsand, something beautiful. 16 00:02:59,326 --> 00:03:01,225 And the right wheel? 17 00:03:01,868 --> 00:03:04,902 I love the beautiful wheel... ...is traditional... 18 00:03:06,290 --> 00:03:09,657 it's old, fun, exciting... 19 00:03:10,071 --> 00:03:20,923 It's not dangerous, it's pleasant, it meets your wishes... - Can we go now? - Of course. 20 00:03:25,975 --> 00:03:29,550 We began our journey together, across continents, 21 00:03:29,766 --> 00:03:30,586 through his past, 22 00:03:30,831 --> 00:03:36,164 and soon into the reality of his troubled life today. 23 00:04:05,477 --> 00:04:10,946 Hey! He's cheating! - Cheat! 24 00:04:13,855 --> 00:04:18,019 This is Michael Jackson like you've never seen him before. 25 00:04:18,424 --> 00:04:21,670 Inside... his music, 26 00:04:22,082 --> 00:04:24,250 his money, his children, 27 00:04:24,623 --> 00:04:27,929 his sex life, his face. 28 00:04:31,038 --> 00:04:33,708 Just put...his world. 29 00:04:52,763 --> 00:04:55,467 It's good! 30 00:04:59,782 --> 00:05:06,115 How do you write a song? - How do you write a song? - How to write a song? 31 00:05:07,768 --> 00:05:11,908 If I sit at the piano... - What will happen? - If I sit down and 32 00:05:12,086 --> 00:05:14,794 I play a few notes, I'll write the best song ever written 33 00:05:14,958 --> 00:05:18,771 but nothing will happen. - Something in your head must say: "It's time 34 00:05:19,290 --> 00:05:22,319 when it is communicated to you and this is what I want you to take. " 35 00:05:22,972 --> 00:05:27,530 I remember when I wrote "Billy Jean", I was driving a car, 36 00:05:27,798 --> 00:05:31,086 � Ventura Alley... everything I told myself above all 37 00:05:31,288 --> 00:05:34,257 I want to write a song with a good background. 38 00:05:37,758 --> 00:05:45,384 And I just let go... And a few days later... 39 00:05:45,688 --> 00:05:49,500 Where does it come from? - From upstairs. 40 00:05:49,704 --> 00:05:53,775 Ok. You sang the backing part, sing it again, and then what happened? 41 00:05:53,969 --> 00:05:57,832 How did you get the rest of the instrumentation and composition, how did it work? 42 00:05:58,881 --> 00:06:06,630 You see, the thing is that artists oppose the music, distance themselves from the music. 43 00:06:07,043 --> 00:06:13,233 Don't write music, let the music be written for itself. - And dance too? 44 00:06:13,414 --> 00:06:15,461 This. - Same thing. - How do you do that? 45 00:06:15,703 --> 00:06:17,199 Can you show me how you do it? 46 00:06:17,439 --> 00:06:19,992 Oh... - Come on, show me! - I'm shy. 47 00:06:20,311 --> 00:06:25,182 Come on, show me, show me! Show me what you do! Teach me! 48 00:06:25,468 --> 00:06:30,869 OK...you brought me to the edge! - Let's go! 49 00:06:31,185 --> 00:06:34,549 Now people will find out something about me, I'm very shy, I'm embarrassed. 50 00:06:34,624 --> 00:06:36,303 Okay, you're shy, get up and show me. 51 00:06:37,581 --> 00:06:38,847 Okay. 52 00:06:57,875 --> 00:07:01,458 What comes to your mind when you dance? - I don't think so. 53 00:07:02,006 --> 00:07:05,092 Thinking is the biggest mistake a dancer can make. 54 00:07:05,282 --> 00:07:07,685 You have to feel it. 55 00:07:23,288 --> 00:07:30,458 You become a bass, you become a shower, you become a clarinet, a flute, a string and a drum... 56 00:07:30,776 --> 00:07:34,442 Do you surrender yourself physically and physically to the music? - Absolutely. 57 00:07:43,833 --> 00:07:48,793 Do you want me to do it? - How do I do that? - What should I do? 58 00:07:43,833 --> 00:08:07,979 Stop here...use the other leg and push. Push...use your heel. Slide... 59 00:08:09,232 --> 00:08:12,272 It's not easy. It's not easy. Really? - No. 60 00:08:12,484 --> 00:08:15,864 It's very difficult to explain. 61 00:08:18,572 --> 00:08:25,326 Let's go one more time. - Use the heel, don't slide on your toes, use the heel. 62 00:08:35,726 --> 00:08:38,078 This is unnatural, because otherwise you lift your leg when you walk. 63 00:08:38,264 --> 00:08:41,507 I know, I know... it's part of the illusion. 64 00:08:50,322 --> 00:08:55,473 It's very good. That's the idea. You are a kind man. That's the idea. 65 00:09:05,291 --> 00:09:09,135 Michael Jackson's "Neverland" house is a 12 km2 ranch, 66 00:09:09,335 --> 00:09:11,687 three hours north of L.A. 67 00:09:13,538 --> 00:09:18,485 Like most of his life, it has to be seen to be believed. 68 00:09:19,344 --> 00:09:24,683 Inspired by a children's fairy tale about "Peter Pan", a boy who never grew up, 69 00:09:24,969 --> 00:09:30,241 it's a multi-million dollar human creation of pieces of paradise. 70 00:09:32,422 --> 00:09:37,648 In addition to a large amusement park, there is also a zoo with giraffes, elephants, 71 00:09:37,807 --> 00:09:41,424 tigers and several orangutans. 72 00:09:41,484 --> 00:09:45,976 Chimpanzee Bubbles was transferred to an animal shelter. 73 00:09:50,678 --> 00:09:53,869 It's literally heaven for a ten year old, 74 00:09:54,738 --> 00:09:58,291 but Michael Jackson is now 44 years old. 75 00:09:59,397 --> 00:10:05,376 Inspiration for Neverland, Peter Pan... Why Peter Pan is for you 76 00:10:05,578 --> 00:10:07,842 a figure of so much interest and inspiration? 77 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:15,453 Because Peter Pan is something very special in my heart for me. 78 00:10:15,599 --> 00:10:21,793 It represents youth, childhood, never growing up, magic, 79 00:10:21,958 --> 00:10:31,384 stealing everything I think children, miracles and spells are. 80 00:10:31,569 --> 00:10:37,353 And for me...I'll never outgrow it, love it or think it's not special. 81 00:10:37,340 --> 00:10:41,281 Do you identify with him? - Totally. - Don't you want to grow up? - No. 82 00:10:41,412 --> 00:10:42,978 I am Peter Pan. 83 00:10:44,033 --> 00:10:47,913 You are Michael Jackson. - I am Peter Pan in my heart. 84 00:10:49,276 --> 00:10:53,682 Weather is a problem for Jackson. He says he has a skin disease 85 00:10:53,939 --> 00:10:57,783 made vitiligo allergic to the sun. 86 00:10:58,482 --> 00:11:03,911 Protected by his umbrella, he led me to his secret place. 87 00:11:04,053 --> 00:11:07,777 I call it “The Giving Tree” because it inspires me. 88 00:11:08,359 --> 00:11:12,765 I like climbing trees in general, but I like climbing trees the most 89 00:11:13,144 --> 00:11:16,931 because I climb on its branches, and it gives me... 90 00:11:17,094 --> 00:11:21,045 I love it...so many ideas...I wrote so many of my songs on this tree. 91 00:11:21,484 --> 00:11:25,481 I wrote "Heal the World" on this tree "Will you be there", 92 00:11:25,654 --> 00:11:28,972 "Black or white", "Chilhood"... 93 00:11:30,078 --> 00:11:33,221 Do you really want to climb this tree? - Yes. 94 00:11:33,411 --> 00:11:40,646 How high do you climb? - All the way to... that place over there, 95 00:11:40,819 --> 00:11:43,812 something like a bench... - Do you want to climb up now? - Yes. 96 00:11:44,091 --> 00:11:48,527 I hold your umbrella and you go upstairs. When you climb, 97 00:11:48,691 --> 00:11:50,979 to see how inspiring it is for you. 98 00:12:00,296 --> 00:12:03,616 Aren't you coming? - In no way. 99 00:12:05,294 --> 00:12:09,711 Je vais vous dire un secret, je ne laisserai personne grimper � mon arbre. 100 00:12:10,038 --> 00:12:11,917 OK, I'll try. 101 00:12:14,001 --> 00:12:17,473 I worry about my shoes slipping. - Come on! 102 00:12:20,349 --> 00:12:24,471 Is it safe? - Of course. - I'm afraid. 103 00:12:25,201 --> 00:12:30,374 I think I'll stop here. - He doesn't climb trees? - No. 104 00:12:30,890 --> 00:12:35,416 He doesn't know what he's missing. - I'll leave it to you. 105 00:12:59,541 --> 00:13:02,890 I like climbing trees, I think so it is my favorite thing. 106 00:13:03,136 --> 00:13:08,707 Game with water balloons and climbing by tree, those two are my favorite. 107 00:13:09,521 --> 00:13:13,855 He does not prefer making love or going to a concert... 108 00:13:14,436 --> 00:13:19,420 Really mean it...water balloons and tree climbing? - Water balloons. 109 00:13:19,566 --> 00:13:21,851 Love it more than anything else? 110 00:13:22,819 --> 00:13:29,294 Well...like my party from the past. I can't compare it to performances, 111 00:13:29,693 --> 00:13:33,886 but other people play football, basketball, and I like to climb trees. 112 00:13:42,194 --> 00:13:49,587 And what a singing and dancing genius he is got to where he is today? 113 00:13:50,026 --> 00:13:54,043 I started looking for answers, start from the beginning. 114 00:13:57,805 --> 00:14:03,951 He played me his first single "Big boy", which was published when he was 8 years old. 115 00:14:04,392 --> 00:14:10,310 By then, Michael Jackson is already performed for 3 years 116 00:14:17,816 --> 00:14:23,203 Do you remember when you first discovered it? that he has a special musical talent? 117 00:14:23,816 --> 00:14:29,282 My mom caught me one day while I was alone made the bed and I sang. 118 00:14:30,005 --> 00:14:33,774 She told my father that I can sing but he didn't want to hear about it. 119 00:14:35,155 --> 00:14:38,085 He said that Jermain is the lead singer, not Michael. 120 00:14:38,270 --> 00:14:40,849 My mom said, "Joe really should be listened to as he sings. " 121 00:14:41,135 --> 00:14:45,301 He said: "No, Jermain is the leader the group's singer and that's it. " 122 00:14:45,474 --> 00:14:48,739 She forced him to serve me, and when he served me 123 00:14:49,015 --> 00:14:53,592 from that moment on, I was the lead singer of the group. 124 00:15:06,202 --> 00:15:11,134 My whole childhood... I remember that people told me 125 00:15:11,321 --> 00:15:13,913 he is a 42-year-old dwarf. 126 00:15:19,684 --> 00:15:24,944 At first I didn't understand, but they thought to how I move on stage, 127 00:15:25,085 --> 00:15:28,797 and the way I sing. 128 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,536 Did someone teach you that? - No. He can't learn it, 129 00:15:33,733 --> 00:15:38,911 he can't learn it, he has to come inside, it's a gift. 130 00:16:08,182 --> 00:16:13,203 I remember exactly going to "Motown" recording studio, 131 00:16:13,293 --> 00:16:16,673 and there was a park right across the street from the studio. 132 00:16:16,843 --> 00:16:25,538 And I heard the noise of the little leagues, they were playing soccer, football, volleyball... 133 00:16:25,701 --> 00:16:30,746 they played baseball... And I remember a lot times I looked at them, 134 00:16:30,926 --> 00:16:34,420 and hid his face crying. 135 00:16:42,421 --> 00:16:45,205 I wanted to play sometimes, but i couldn't. 136 00:16:45,289 --> 00:16:49,184 Why couldn't you? - I had to go to the studio. 137 00:17:03,517 --> 00:17:09,511 While you were practicing, father was very strict with you. 138 00:17:10,193 --> 00:17:12,712 How was that? 139 00:17:20,169 --> 00:17:27,615 Well I... I didn't get that much, he used me as an example. 140 00:17:27,822 --> 00:17:33,488 It was: "Do like Michael!", he practiced with us holding a strap in his hand. 141 00:17:34,162 --> 00:17:41,118 And if he missed a step, you could have expected... 142 00:17:41,874 --> 00:17:47,358 Wait until I go back... you're right there said that you practiced dance steps, 143 00:17:47,537 --> 00:17:51,517 and your father would hold the belt in his hand, is that what you said? - Yes. 144 00:17:52,339 --> 00:17:55,084 He would tear you apart if you missed a step. 145 00:17:55,256 --> 00:17:59,650 And we... not only practiced, we were nervous at rehearsals. 146 00:17:59,855 --> 00:18:03,186 Because he would sit in the chair, and have would that belt in your hand, 147 00:18:03,651 --> 00:18:08,531 and if he didn't do something good, he would tear you apart. 148 00:18:09,274 --> 00:18:14,000 I won many times, but I think so my brother Marlon got the most. 149 00:18:14,536 --> 00:18:19,269 Because it was very difficult for him in the beginning, and he tried very hard. 150 00:18:21,731 --> 00:18:26,737 It was always, "Do like Michael, make like michael! " 151 00:18:26,955 --> 00:18:30,645 The others were very nervous, I was nervous too. 152 00:18:30,962 --> 00:18:34,105 Because he was strict. 153 00:18:34,231 --> 00:18:36,074 How often did he beat you? 154 00:18:37,446 --> 00:18:40,362 Too often. 155 00:18:41,181 --> 00:18:43,740 Did he only use a belt? 156 00:18:47,281 --> 00:18:50,358 Why does this work for me? 157 00:18:51,019 --> 00:18:53,372 No, he didn't just use a belt. 158 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:57,096 What else did he use to beat you? 159 00:18:57,915 --> 00:19:04,093 Washing machine... Whenever he was around. 160 00:19:04,852 --> 00:19:09,236 He would push you against the wall as hard as he could. 161 00:19:09,976 --> 00:19:14,100 But you were just a child. - I know... 162 00:19:14,255 --> 00:19:16,489 You were a baby. - I know... 163 00:19:17,468 --> 00:19:20,568 And you made a successful record. - I know... 164 00:19:20,944 --> 00:19:25,822 He would have lost his life... I am... I remember to hear his mother scream: 165 00:19:26,011 --> 00:19:30,967 "Joe will kill him, stop, he will kill him!" 166 00:19:31,327 --> 00:19:34,751 I was very fast, so I often failed to catch 167 00:19:35,463 --> 00:19:38,742 but if you catch me... ... oh my God! 168 00:19:39,069 --> 00:19:44,936 It was bad... it was very bad. 169 00:19:46,866 --> 00:19:50,756 I looked at the screen and I couldn't not to wonder what the consequences are 170 00:19:50,885 --> 00:19:54,701 this violence left young Michael. 171 00:20:04,745 --> 00:20:09,687 We were horrified, horrified... I can't tell you how much. 172 00:20:09,792 --> 00:20:14,525 I don't think even he knows to this day how awesome he was... 173 00:20:15,414 --> 00:20:19,176 Awesome... really awesome was. 174 00:20:19,331 --> 00:20:27,273 So scary that we threw up. - You threw up? 175 00:20:27,499 --> 00:20:35,923 What produced such a reaction? - His presence, just to see him. 176 00:20:36,754 --> 00:20:43,680 Sometimes he would pass out, so they made me bodyguards had to follow. 177 00:20:46,536 --> 00:20:54,363 When he beat you, did you hate him? - Yes. An awful lot. 178 00:20:54,527 --> 00:20:59,858 That's why I haven't lifted a finger to this day my children, I don't ever want that 179 00:21:00,023 --> 00:21:03,337 they feel for me. Never. 180 00:21:03,595 --> 00:21:09,722 And he didn't let us call him dad, and I wanted to call him dad so much. 181 00:21:10,011 --> 00:21:13,677 He would say, "I'm not dad, I'm Joseph for you! " 182 00:21:14,443 --> 00:21:20,186 I must have forgotten all that. 183 00:21:20,513 --> 00:21:25,444 I do not allow my children to me they call Michael, I say: "I'm dad. " 184 00:21:25,712 --> 00:21:29,451 Totally the opposite. And when people say yes the abused abuse, 185 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:34,190 that is not true. That is not true at all. 186 00:21:46,904 --> 00:21:51,155 Forty years later, memories are stronger than ever. 187 00:21:51,367 --> 00:21:54,778 But now there was little time to look back. 188 00:21:56,659 --> 00:22:00,705 It was late summer and Michael Jackson has left Neverland. 189 00:22:00,837 --> 00:22:05,080 He called me on my cell phone and said he would spend a few weeks in Las Vegas, 190 00:22:05,203 --> 00:22:07,112 and that I can join him. 191 00:22:07,208 --> 00:22:12,966 In Las Vegas, he will reveal his bizarre experiences in love and sex, 192 00:22:13,183 --> 00:22:17,889 with his obsession with the face, and most exciting of all, 193 00:22:18,304 --> 00:22:21,183 I will meet his children. 194 00:22:56,568 --> 00:23:00,618 In the summer Michael Jackson made your temporary home 195 00:23:00,766 --> 00:23:05,871 in the main player city in the world, Las Vegas - in. 196 00:23:27,981 --> 00:23:30,953 I went to visit him in hotel "Four seasons", 197 00:23:31,166 --> 00:23:34,968 where he took not a few already seven apartments. 198 00:23:35,578 --> 00:23:38,027 I was wondering why he left neverland, 199 00:23:38,199 --> 00:23:42,199 and decided to spend a month alone in the hotel suite. 200 00:23:47,351 --> 00:23:54,525 Especially because it became clear that it is Jackson is extremely bored and isolated. 201 00:23:54,783 --> 00:23:59,539 In fact, he was glad he had some company, except for the bizarre collection 202 00:23:59,713 --> 00:24:04,203 dolls and toys that I found in his room. 203 00:24:07,982 --> 00:24:09,713 This is your apartment. 204 00:24:09,913 --> 00:24:12,442 What does he like about Las Vegas? 205 00:24:13,186 --> 00:24:19,404 I love fun. - Party? - This is a fun place to visit. 206 00:24:25,332 --> 00:24:27,031 What is this? 207 00:24:27,468 --> 00:24:32,060 When I'm bored, I drive hotel corridors in this. 208 00:24:32,253 --> 00:24:35,979 I run sometimes at night in the corridors. 209 00:24:36,091 --> 00:24:39,244 But what? - No, I'm serious. 210 00:24:48,528 --> 00:24:53,586 This is a game I love. - Is that a skateboard? - Yes. 211 00:24:59,396 --> 00:25:03,247 He collects points. Here is the car... 212 00:25:04,147 --> 00:25:07,842 When I'm in the room late at night and bored it's me, in between writing music 213 00:25:08,022 --> 00:25:10,220 i'm playing with this. 214 00:25:17,186 --> 00:25:20,521 I'd hate to see how he drives a car. 215 00:25:26,175 --> 00:25:30,206 That's The Incredible Hulk? - No, green div. - Johnny the green giant? - It's from 216 00:25:30,449 --> 00:25:35,196 old american commercials where children eat peas. 217 00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:42,683 I soon learned that Las Vegas was full unpleasant memories for Jackson. 218 00:25:42,814 --> 00:25:46,497 I had to share a room with brothers on tour, 219 00:25:46,981 --> 00:25:51,085 and there was action in my room every evening. 220 00:25:52,958 --> 00:25:55,604 My job was to pretend to sleep. 221 00:25:57,282 --> 00:26:01,259 And one of the brothers told me: "No matter what, don't get up 222 00:26:01,485 --> 00:26:05,444 and don't open your eyes. " - I said: "I won't, I promise." 223 00:26:05,682 --> 00:26:08,963 And I heard the girls come in, I would hear them say: 224 00:26:09,257 --> 00:26:12,483 Is that little Michael?! " and my brother would say: "Yes. " 225 00:26:12,646 --> 00:26:16,302 "He's so cute! " I heard everything. 226 00:26:16,853 --> 00:26:20,313 what did you hear? - With girls? 227 00:26:20,698 --> 00:26:23,066 Did you hear they have sex? - Yes. 228 00:26:23,554 --> 00:26:26,486 In the same room you were in? 229 00:26:27,668 --> 00:26:35,312 Let me see... sometimes yes, sometimes not. 230 00:26:35,802 --> 00:26:39,509 So on some occasions, you lay down and pretended to sleep�, 231 00:26:39,736 --> 00:26:43,789 and your brothers had sex with someone in the same room where were you? 232 00:26:45,904 --> 00:26:50,535 Did you have a lot of girlfriends as a teenager? 233 00:26:52,894 --> 00:27:01,062 Not much. My first girlfriend that I am really loved was Tatum O'Neal. 234 00:27:01,418 --> 00:27:06,936 Was it a typical adolescent love? - Yes, she was, but I wasn't 235 00:27:07,116 --> 00:27:11,127 was ready for all that o what was she talking about. 236 00:27:11,353 --> 00:27:13,541 I was quite naive. I'm not complaining. 237 00:27:13,984 --> 00:27:16,784 I hope he will forgive me for that I will tell this story. 238 00:27:17,497 --> 00:27:19,725 Tatum forgive me please. 239 00:27:20,045 --> 00:27:22,215 I remember her telling me to come home 240 00:27:22,594 --> 00:27:27,075 her house, in Beverly Hills, 241 00:27:27,129 --> 00:27:33,495 and what will everything do to me when I come, know all that... - What did she say? 242 00:27:34,162 --> 00:27:39,148 All sexual things. I am paid. - So she called you and said: 243 00:27:39,378 --> 00:27:42,704 "Michael come to me, I want to make love with you..." - Yes. 244 00:27:42,989 --> 00:27:49,745 And you are very paid? - Yes, I have been paid. Paid because I've never done it. 245 00:27:50,113 --> 00:27:53,140 I came there and played a dude... He tried to be brave, 246 00:27:53,509 --> 00:27:58,415 she turned off all the lights in the bedroom and she parted the curtains, 247 00:27:58,791 --> 00:28:04,303 could be seen lit up all over the city over the cliff. - It was wonderful. 248 00:28:04,993 --> 00:28:11,004 She told me to go and lie down to bed, I am too 249 00:28:11,097 --> 00:28:19,183 she approached slowly...she touched the button on my shirt, 250 00:28:19,371 --> 00:28:24,088 and I put my hands like this. I failed her. 251 00:28:26,211 --> 00:28:32,252 And she turned and left. She knew that I'm too shy for her. That happened. 252 00:28:32,707 --> 00:28:38,895 Didn't you feel the desire at all? - Were you paid? - Yes. 253 00:28:39,145 --> 00:28:41,880 I don't think I was ready for that. 254 00:28:50,053 --> 00:28:54,163 Let's go shopping for it spectacular place. 255 00:28:54,446 --> 00:28:58,477 Does he like shopping? - I love. - What does he like about shopping? 256 00:28:58,647 --> 00:29:02,679 Not so much shopping... and I'm not a �krt. 257 00:29:02,910 --> 00:29:11,644 I like to see how people make things, I can do everything with my hands and sword. 258 00:29:19,058 --> 00:29:21,988 Have you always been good with money? - With my money? 259 00:29:22,667 --> 00:29:28,506 That. I remember getting a check 2,000 dollars when I was 12-13 years old. 260 00:29:28,679 --> 00:29:32,570 I received this monthly, my father asked me: "What does he want to do with it?" 261 00:29:32,734 --> 00:29:37,536 I said you should get ready. - You were 12 years old? - Yes, he would give it to me 262 00:29:37,709 --> 00:29:42,159 certain amount of money that you are I buy the things I want. 263 00:29:42,343 --> 00:29:46,986 I would buy tires for �caking, chocolates, and similar. 264 00:29:47,701 --> 00:29:50,192 �do you think� how much is it worth�? 265 00:29:51,374 --> 00:29:56,321 There is somewhere... - Come on, how much? 266 00:29:56,399 --> 00:30:03,549 Come on Martin... I'm doing fine. - A billion dollars? - It's there somewhere. 267 00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:05,863 About a billion dollars? - Yes. 268 00:30:07,311 --> 00:30:10,962 We went straight to Jackson's favorite shopping center. 269 00:30:11,260 --> 00:30:16,478 He told me he wanted to spend serious money amount of money, and he did not complain. 270 00:30:17,631 --> 00:30:25,394 And when Michael Jackson goes out, on every an admirer is waiting to greet him at the step. 271 00:30:53,017 --> 00:30:56,724 Are you sure it's like this all the time? - Yes. - People approach you? 272 00:30:57,056 --> 00:31:00,907 It's nice when they tell you they love your music, to learn to play the guitar. 273 00:31:00,907 --> 00:31:05,122 Yes, they are cute. This ceiling is incredible. - Yes. 274 00:31:05,132 --> 00:31:08,043 He is excellent. - Yes. - He's amazing. 275 00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:14,811 He's a bit unsightly. - Unsightly? Are you crazy? 276 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,528 Does she like to shop for jewelry? - No. 277 00:31:17,261 --> 00:31:20,450 For my mom and Elizabeth Taylor... yes. 278 00:31:20,686 --> 00:31:24,017 Because Elizabeth loves jewelry, my mom likes jewelry too. 279 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,618 And if he has a girl I like I would buy her jewelry too. 280 00:31:29,695 --> 00:31:33,714 That? Who is that? - If there was, I would like it buy her. - Does it exist? 281 00:31:33,887 --> 00:31:37,355 Not at the moment, I haven't found it yet. 282 00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:41,661 Who knows, there is time. You are still a young man. 283 00:31:50,587 --> 00:31:54,143 This is the shop I told you about. I bought so many things here. 284 00:31:54,340 --> 00:31:57,756 Come see the things I bought. - Show me. 285 00:31:57,889 --> 00:32:04,938 This is Michael Jackson's favorite store, with the happiest manager in the world. 286 00:32:05,174 --> 00:32:09,300 I bought this. - Did you buy that? - Globe? - Yes. 287 00:32:09,642 --> 00:32:13,332 Wait until we go upstairs, let's go upstairs. 288 00:32:32,770 --> 00:32:35,215 I bought this table. 289 00:32:36,345 --> 00:32:43,875 This set for �ah. Isn't he beautiful? Your set in the library... - This one is bigger. 290 00:32:44,327 --> 00:32:49,911 It's reserved, look... - Is it yours? Yes, that's reserved for me. 291 00:32:50,005 --> 00:32:55,065 OK. How much does it cost? - Only $81,000. 292 00:32:55,775 --> 00:32:57,755 Put this on the list. - Of course. 293 00:32:58,746 --> 00:33:05,378 Write it down so I don't forget. - I'll bring it list right now. - Did I take that? 294 00:33:05,585 --> 00:33:10,678 I don't believe it. - I like that. Let's order it. 295 00:33:11,154 --> 00:33:14,985 Is there enough room for all that? - I have. - Do you have room? - Yes, I do. 296 00:33:15,189 --> 00:33:20,709 For a house in Neverland? - No, this is for another house. - For another house? - Yes. 297 00:33:38,603 --> 00:33:40,231 These, right? 298 00:33:41,131 --> 00:33:44,952 Oh my God! - These? - Yes. - Let me look at these. 299 00:33:45,182 --> 00:33:52,786 They are beautiful. - They're only $275.00 each. So that's half a million dollars for those two. 300 00:33:53,018 --> 00:33:57,621 They will give us a discount. - He has to give you a discount. 301 00:33:58,165 --> 00:34:01,380 And famous people ask for discounts. - Let me show you. 302 00:34:03,526 --> 00:34:07,110 How much is Mr. Jackson spent now? 303 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:15,248 Must put a discount. - Basis on these prices? 304 00:34:19,404 --> 00:34:21,157 These things are mine? 305 00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:26,088 It's as if you surrounded yourself with things that are in the imperial palace? 306 00:34:27,769 --> 00:34:30,156 That's my taste. 307 00:34:30,812 --> 00:34:34,549 You can probably retire after one client like this. 308 00:34:39,188 --> 00:34:44,161 What about the pictures Michael? He likes the furniture. Do you want these too? 309 00:34:53,872 --> 00:34:58,849 What about the pictures Michael? - Pictures? - Yes. 310 00:34:59,383 --> 00:35:04,134 I like this one because they bathe Apollo. - This looks like Apollo. 311 00:35:04,332 --> 00:35:09,239 And the girls bathe him... - Yes. - Excuse me... I want this one too. 312 00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:12,122 And this one. 313 00:35:12,974 --> 00:35:18,062 Because I bought this statue, it's all from of marble, it is larger than human size. 314 00:35:18,256 --> 00:35:21,405 That's the bathing of Apollo? - Yes. 315 00:35:22,095 --> 00:35:25,249 Michael definitely knows his art. - Obviously. 316 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,299 You bought eighty percent of the shop. 317 00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:41,750 As the news spread, the crowd gathered to catch Michael Jackson. 318 00:35:42,022 --> 00:35:45,617 Everything is the same since he was a boy, and what happened then, 319 00:35:45,632 --> 00:35:49,898 it created a long-term obsession his face. 320 00:35:51,279 --> 00:35:54,622 I never looked in the mirror. never. 321 00:35:54,827 --> 00:35:59,909 I would turn off all the lights, because I had I talk a lot. 322 00:36:00,731 --> 00:36:06,814 It was very difficult for me to face the audience. - Once we were at the airport, 323 00:36:07,033 --> 00:36:12,846 I think it was Virginia or something. 324 00:36:14,469 --> 00:36:19,417 One lady recognized my brothers and all of us and said: "Oh my God, they are 325 00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:23,128 The Jacksons 5! Where is little Michael? Where is little Michael? ", 326 00:36:23,319 --> 00:36:29,430 She was looking around, and another person said: "There he is!", 327 00:36:29,531 --> 00:36:34,465 And she will: " ...�what happened?" - Just like that. 328 00:36:35,252 --> 00:36:40,239 God, I could literally die there. - That's exactly what the lady told me. 329 00:36:40,427 --> 00:36:46,073 Did your father and brothers tease you because of your appearance in puberty? 330 00:36:46,291 --> 00:36:51,786 My father is. And some relatives are. - What was your father saying? 331 00:36:52,984 --> 00:36:55,914 Oh God... 332 00:36:56,631 --> 00:36:58,959 It was quite embarrassing. 333 00:36:59,194 --> 00:37:02,928 He teased me a lot about it. - That's cruel, isn't it? 334 00:37:03,155 --> 00:37:06,002 Yes... he used to hurt me. I think so no he is not aware of how much he hurt me. 335 00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:09,190 What things did he say to you? 336 00:37:10,350 --> 00:37:15,952 He teased me about my appearance and said: "You didn't get that from my side of the family!", 337 00:37:16,221 --> 00:37:20,989 "It must be with Kate's!", he meant my mom. 338 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,558 "You didn't get that from me!" I would say to him: 339 00:37:24,802 --> 00:37:27,240 "Thank you for helping me I feel better." 340 00:37:30,166 --> 00:37:35,020 I think sometimes people don't they think about what they say 341 00:37:35,216 --> 00:37:38,368 and what impact it will have on the person. 342 00:37:39,173 --> 00:37:48,135 One cousin would always... do that when would see me, print stories. 343 00:37:49,063 --> 00:37:52,056 I would go to the bathroom and cry. 344 00:37:52,325 --> 00:37:56,825 Is it true that your father told you yes? has a fat nose? - Yes. 345 00:37:56,986 --> 00:37:59,026 What was he saying? What did he really say to you? 346 00:37:59,190 --> 00:38:02,519 God, your nose is huge. You didn't get it from me. 347 00:38:04,404 --> 00:38:11,206 What can it do to someone who is in puberty? - He wants to die. 348 00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:23,206 On top of all that, he has to go on stage, in front of the spotlight, in front of thousands of people, 349 00:38:23,420 --> 00:38:28,689 God it's hard. He would be happier that I was wearing a mask. 350 00:38:45,936 --> 00:38:50,904 They gave those puberty experiences before brought Michael Jackson to the spotlight 351 00:38:51,089 --> 00:38:54,955 to reconstruct his face and create your own mask? 352 00:38:55,801 --> 00:38:57,956 I had to ask him. 353 00:38:58,374 --> 00:39:02,478 What does he say to people who say: " When Michael Jackson was a boy, 354 00:39:02,683 --> 00:39:07,854 he was a black child, and now as he looks like a white guy when he's grown up. " 355 00:39:08,065 --> 00:39:13,436 Well... You have to ask God that, I have nothing to do with it, okay? 356 00:39:13,608 --> 00:39:16,506 That is ignorance. - How do you think� yes nothing to do with you? 357 00:39:16,541 --> 00:39:21,788 I don't control puberty, I don't the fact that I have vitiligo, 358 00:39:22,051 --> 00:39:30,819 I don't control... - How many white people... when they were children they were white, 359 00:39:31,085 --> 00:39:36,328 and now they sit in the sun all day to make them look black. 360 00:39:36,522 --> 00:39:40,877 Suntan lotion companies they make millions from these products. 361 00:39:41,063 --> 00:39:44,579 And nobody says anything about it. 362 00:39:45,204 --> 00:39:51,067 It's true, they want to be something they're not, but that's okay, right? 363 00:39:51,752 --> 00:39:54,296 Do you want to be something else that you are not? - No. 364 00:39:55,013 --> 00:40:01,373 When they say you had inserts installed in the cheeks, if you had an insert in your chin... 365 00:40:01,562 --> 00:40:07,401 Please. - If you had made your mouth bigger... - Come on, please... Reconstructed the eyelashes... 366 00:40:07,582 --> 00:40:10,798 That's stupid! - None of that is true? - No, nothing is true. 367 00:40:11,006 --> 00:40:16,812 None of that is true, they made it all up. - They lied, they didn't want to give me credit 368 00:40:17,017 --> 00:40:20,895 for nothing. - One newspaper wrote... my beard had grown, 369 00:40:21,092 --> 00:40:27,133 that I had my hair implanted with a laser on the face, what kind of ignorance is that? 370 00:40:27,417 --> 00:40:32,494 I can't even grow a beard now? - The stupid ignoramus who wrote it. 371 00:40:32,822 --> 00:40:39,312 Don't believe those idiots. - Don't waste money on it, because you're not buying 372 00:40:39,501 --> 00:40:44,980 something that is true is not true. - That's rubbish. 373 00:40:56,019 --> 00:41:01,906 I was not convinced by Jackson's explanation, and I felt that he was not completely honest. 374 00:41:02,175 --> 00:41:06,927 I knew I had to get back on topic about his face before we finish. 375 00:41:07,606 --> 00:41:12,578 But suddenly Jackson proposed to me something I couldn't refuse. 376 00:41:12,758 --> 00:41:18,645 The next day I will go to the city with Jackson's children. 377 00:41:28,265 --> 00:41:33,708 When do we get out of here? - Left? - Thank you. 378 00:41:34,533 --> 00:41:41,184 I will meet Michael Jackson's children, Prince Michael the First and Paris. 379 00:41:41,365 --> 00:41:44,648 They are rarely seen in public. - Are you ready? 380 00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:48,719 It's a really, really good mask. - It's a butterfly. - Is that a butterfly? 381 00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:54,653 Let me see. What is it made of? - I don't know. 382 00:42:00,498 --> 00:42:04,876 Can I run? - If he wants to, of course. - Will she run too? 383 00:42:05,067 --> 00:42:07,961 No, she wears nice shoes, he won't run anywhere. 384 00:42:08,379 --> 00:42:11,860 Does Paris want to run? - No. 385 00:42:13,557 --> 00:42:17,449 Jackson told me he would never allow it children to go outside without masks. 386 00:42:17,629 --> 00:42:20,178 to hide their identity. 387 00:42:20,562 --> 00:42:25,227 The children are the result of Jackson's short marriage with his dermatology nurse, 388 00:42:25,227 --> 00:42:32,283 Debbie Rowe. - Paris is now 4 years old, and Prince will soon be 6 years old. 389 00:42:37,959 --> 00:42:42,408 I see he has Star Wars shoes. - Not the second part. - Not the second part? 390 00:42:42,631 --> 00:42:44,630 My dad bought them for me. 391 00:42:44,752 --> 00:42:47,250 All right, OK. 392 00:42:48,243 --> 00:42:53,123 Why does he say no to the second part, why doesn't he like it? "Star Wars" part two? 393 00:42:53,534 --> 00:42:58,973 Because it is boring and slow. - Okay. 394 00:42:59,512 --> 00:43:04,436 Why does he think you are qualified to gives� such strong reviews about it? 395 00:43:05,610 --> 00:43:10,682 Why does he think you're right about that, you are are you sure you are right? 396 00:43:16,682 --> 00:43:20,298 I think there are some people here who want to talk to you. 397 00:43:28,861 --> 00:43:33,572 Those pictures you made made me happy, and they cry too. - Thank you. 398 00:43:33,674 --> 00:43:37,706 We have run out of children's pictures that are grew up in Spain... - You must not 399 00:43:37,886 --> 00:43:41,323 never run out of children's pictures. - Are you from Spain? - Yes. 400 00:43:41,718 --> 00:43:44,743 Sunny Spain. - You are big fans Michaela? - Sunny Spain. 401 00:43:46,971 --> 00:43:52,063 I know. - They are Spanish fans so sweet You are wonderful people. 402 00:43:52,627 --> 00:43:55,189 Stunning to watch. 403 00:44:01,164 --> 00:44:04,212 Did you cry when Prince was born? - Yes. 404 00:44:04,507 --> 00:44:08,176 Can you tell me what happened, do you remember - Of course. 405 00:44:08,307 --> 00:44:12,777 He came out with a really big head, as soon as I saw his head, 406 00:44:12,964 --> 00:44:17,251 I immediately remembered my grandfather and brother Randy, because of the shape of his head 407 00:44:17,444 --> 00:44:21,041 was the same as theirs. And I said: "Oh my God!". 408 00:44:21,393 --> 00:44:28,857 And the rest... They let me take it out to the end, and I cut the umbilical cord, 409 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,865 with �karas that had the shape of a stork. 410 00:44:33,871 --> 00:44:37,436 They cleaned it and that's all. 411 00:44:38,619 --> 00:44:41,792 I was ready to take him home, but they said they couldn't. 412 00:44:42,031 --> 00:44:45,163 I asked: "Why?", they said yes serious problems. - "what?" 413 00:44:45,481 --> 00:44:48,522 "We have to take him to the intensive care unit care, does not breathe well. " 414 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:54,002 Oh no! - I said: "Please, God, don't let me to have a sick child, please! " 415 00:44:54,208 --> 00:45:01,041 I waited an hour, two, three hours, four... was so paid... 416 00:45:01,236 --> 00:45:06,619 After five hours, the sister came and said: "Okay, you can go home now." 417 00:45:06,849 --> 00:45:08,772 I was so happy. 418 00:45:13,382 --> 00:45:17,890 Paris was born soon after. - Yes. - Your daughter. - Yes. 419 00:45:18,155 --> 00:45:21,685 As it was, you were also at hers birth? - Of course. 420 00:45:22,353 --> 00:45:26,097 Of course... it was magical. 421 00:45:26,475 --> 00:45:30,936 She went out on the wrong side, her face is either facing the other way and 422 00:45:31,126 --> 00:45:35,630 the umbilical cord wrapped around her neck. - That was a bit worrying. 423 00:45:36,476 --> 00:45:38,622 And it took her longer to come out. 424 00:45:41,278 --> 00:45:46,225 And I was so anxious to take her away at home, after I cut the umbilical cord, 425 00:45:47,014 --> 00:45:50,127 I hate to say this, but I did took it and took it home, she still had it 426 00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:54,529 the placenta by itself. - What are you doing? - I'm not complaining. 427 00:45:54,737 --> 00:45:56,975 I wrapped her in a towel and ran away, they said it was fine. 428 00:45:57,202 --> 00:46:02,868 They said they agreed with that, I came home and I washed it. 429 00:46:03,058 --> 00:46:06,619 She had just been born. - I know. - Why did you want to do that? 430 00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:10,980 Because I felt it was right, they told me it was ok 431 00:46:11,182 --> 00:46:16,553 Debbie agreed with that. I had permission from the doctor. 432 00:46:16,787 --> 00:46:21,710 I think I was afraid that he would tell me some bad news 433 00:46:21,993 --> 00:46:25,480 i was so scared but there was no bad news... 434 00:46:26,868 --> 00:46:32,241 I started experiencing all that and I was afraid I just didn't want any bad news, 435 00:46:32,241 --> 00:46:33,665 I just wanted to leave. 436 00:46:33,973 --> 00:46:38,185 I guess Debbie had to stay in the hospital because she had given birth. - Yes. 437 00:46:38,527 --> 00:46:42,982 And she was okay with staying without a baby immediately after a few minutes? - Yes. 438 00:46:43,289 --> 00:46:46,759 She told you to take� the baby? - Yes, she said: "Take her, I know she wants it." 439 00:46:47,129 --> 00:46:50,763 "I agree with that.", I asked: "Did you eat that?" okay? " she said: " Yes, of course. " 440 00:46:52,344 --> 00:46:56,450 How much time has passed since that met the baby again? 441 00:46:56,624 --> 00:47:03,297 I don't know exactly. After she came out... I don't know exactly. I forgot. 442 00:47:05,005 --> 00:47:07,906 Look at this, look how beautiful it is. - Yes. - Have you ever been here? 443 00:47:07,906 --> 00:47:11,224 I didn't. - Look at this. - It's extraordinary. 444 00:47:12,581 --> 00:47:16,013 Is that the shop you were talking about? - I think he will now. 445 00:47:16,207 --> 00:47:18,214 We'll be there soon. 446 00:47:23,324 --> 00:47:27,976 And it's actually a tomb, what are you talking about�? - Yes. - Isn't it wonderful? 447 00:47:28,278 --> 00:47:32,893 Let's take a look. - Is that it? - That's it. - Isn't he beautiful? 448 00:47:33,152 --> 00:47:38,666 Look at the face. - Come on, he's beautiful. - Is that really a coffin? 449 00:47:38,825 --> 00:47:43,421 That. - Sarcophagus. - Replica of Tutankhamun's sarcophagus. 450 00:47:43,652 --> 00:47:48,439 It's made of gold. - Did you buy it too? - Yes. - Why did you buy it? 451 00:47:48,749 --> 00:47:52,407 Because I like it. Look at the art. It's phenomenal. - The work of the artist. 452 00:47:52,471 --> 00:48:00,148 Do you want to be buried in something similar? - No. - I don't want to be buried. 453 00:48:00,335 --> 00:48:07,238 Really? - How would you like to be buried? - I would like to live forever. 454 00:48:07,581 --> 00:48:12,891 Are you trying to give your children a normal life? life? - Yes, of course. 455 00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:17,499 What about things like carpooling and education, do they go to school? 456 00:48:17,762 --> 00:48:23,342 Yes, they have a car. - Do they go to normal school? a car? - Never. 457 00:48:23,541 --> 00:48:26,048 Why not? - It wouldn't work. 458 00:48:26,110 --> 00:48:29,752 Why? - Because the paparazzi are chasing us wherever we go 459 00:48:29,965 --> 00:48:32,390 and I don't want journalists after them when they are in the car. 460 00:48:32,767 --> 00:48:37,781 In bushes and on trees. I saw that happened to me 461 00:48:37,964 --> 00:48:40,736 and they do the same and worse. 462 00:48:42,656 --> 00:48:48,984 I don't want jealous teachers saying: "Don't expect that because of who you are 463 00:48:49,229 --> 00:48:52,881 children of Michael Jackson that they will meet treat you differently. " 464 00:48:53,117 --> 00:48:56,252 Well, they don't even want to deal with them different relations. 465 00:48:56,677 --> 00:48:58,830 I don't want them to have to go through all that. 466 00:48:59,172 --> 00:49:04,095 So the truth is that I can't have it normal life. - No. 467 00:49:04,934 --> 00:49:09,022 Hold my hand. He's holding my dad's hand and my hand. 468 00:49:11,827 --> 00:49:20,761 Let go, let go... Pull. He knows how to do it. 469 00:49:22,249 --> 00:49:24,981 I have to write an autograph sometime. 470 00:49:24,982 --> 00:49:29,170 Are you worried about your influence? to have life on their own 471 00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:36,844 since you're a star and they have to live, that they have no choice? 472 00:49:37,307 --> 00:49:44,378 That's how it has to be. It worked has been successful many times in the past. 473 00:49:44,796 --> 00:49:49,330 It is important how it is modeled� and shaped� their world. 474 00:49:49,688 --> 00:49:52,986 Many people are successful in this. 475 00:49:53,924 --> 00:49:58,245 Jackson clearly enjoys being a parent and he had a surprise for me. 476 00:49:58,460 --> 00:50:02,932 He recently joined Prince and Paris little brother. 477 00:50:03,037 --> 00:50:05,906 He was in a hotel with a babysitter. 478 00:50:08,941 --> 00:50:11,719 You recently got yours third child? - Yes. 479 00:50:11,916 --> 00:50:13,495 Were you present at his birth? 480 00:50:13,681 --> 00:50:19,875 I am. - What is he like, what is his name? - Prince Michael the Second, 481 00:50:20,075 --> 00:50:23,610 but we call it Blanket. - You call him Blanket? - Yes. 482 00:50:24,126 --> 00:50:29,578 Why does he call him Blanket? - It's an expression that I use with my family, 483 00:50:30,768 --> 00:50:34,806 and my employees. I know say: "You should cover me... you should cover me 484 00:50:35,048 --> 00:50:41,079 her with something "... Blanket is a blessing. 485 00:50:41,279 --> 00:50:44,991 It's the way he shows� attention and love. 486 00:50:45,313 --> 00:50:49,672 Who is Blanket's mom? - Blanket's mom? I can't say. 487 00:50:50,102 --> 00:50:58,185 Because they will bomb her... you know. We have an agreement, a mutual agreement 488 00:50:58,437 --> 00:51:03,051 that we cannot talk about who he is she... So we agreed. 489 00:51:03,429 --> 00:51:08,558 Is she someone you were in a relationship with? - Yes. 490 00:51:08,818 --> 00:51:11,072 But you kept it a secret? - Yes. 491 00:51:11,272 --> 00:51:17,589 That's because she doesn't want to does he know that? - Yes, and I don't blame her. 492 00:51:17,828 --> 00:51:23,663 He doesn't want to be in newspapers and tabloids she doesn't want that and I don't blame her. 493 00:51:24,308 --> 00:51:31,135 Because he knows how rubbish... theirs comments can be. 494 00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:37,685 Does his mom live with you? - live with me? - Yes. 495 00:51:38,064 --> 00:51:46,170 Not. - Is it difficult for you and the children? - No, why would it be difficult? 496 00:51:46,496 --> 00:51:50,720 Aren't children looking for their mommy? - No, they're fine. 497 00:51:50,926 --> 00:51:56,036 How many children are with their mothers and they have no father, no one says anything. 498 00:51:56,324 --> 00:51:59,537 No, they're having fun. - He's with you differently? - Yes. 499 00:51:59,692 --> 00:52:01,309 live with dad? - They're having fun. 500 00:52:01,344 --> 00:52:06,859 They have enough women in their lives, they are everywhere, women are everywhere in my house. 501 00:52:07,981 --> 00:52:10,082 They are with them all day. 502 00:52:07,981 --> 00:52:14,743 That's what he would say to someone who thinks is that strange? 503 00:52:15,908 --> 00:52:21,603 People are always prejudiced regardless �he does�, so I don't worry about it. 504 00:52:21,808 --> 00:52:28,467 Everything can be strange to someone, this interview is strange to some people, but who cares. 505 00:52:33,065 --> 00:52:39,930 Thousands of kilometers away, Jackson the role of the father will be at home. 506 00:52:41,708 --> 00:52:45,214 A few weeks later I left meet him in Berlin... 507 00:52:45,713 --> 00:52:49,762 and just as I was coming, this happened. 508 00:53:10,162 --> 00:53:16,262 Michael Jackson was leaning on the newborn baby at the window of a Berlin hotel. 509 00:53:16,859 --> 00:53:20,093 His fans out there were going crazy. 510 00:53:24,921 --> 00:53:27,325 When I came to his room, I was worried. 511 00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:30,956 There were qualities in him that before I didn't see it on him. 512 00:53:31,179 --> 00:53:37,149 And he enjoyed the screaming attention crowds outside. 513 00:53:41,759 --> 00:53:47,806 What is he drinking? - "I love you, you are in my heart. Michael Jackson. " 514 00:53:48,041 --> 00:53:50,525 Is that a hotel pillow? - Yes. 515 00:54:08,075 --> 00:54:13,482 What did they sing earlier? - Stop the media, Michael you are the best. 516 00:54:23,042 --> 00:54:27,849 He came to Berlin a week after that appeared in L.A. in court. 517 00:54:28,051 --> 00:54:33,744 Newspaper front pages were covered inscriptions that his face is falling apart. 518 00:54:44,025 --> 00:54:47,149 What do you think about Berlin? - I love Berlin. 519 00:54:48,848 --> 00:54:52,795 While his fans were waiting outside his idol's hotel, 520 00:54:52,983 --> 00:54:54,899 his procession left. 521 00:54:55,107 --> 00:54:59,846 I was interested in the articles about hurt his face. 522 00:55:00,064 --> 00:55:03,812 What does he think about the cover? - I didn't see her. 523 00:55:04,056 --> 00:55:10,016 I don't watch TV, I don't read tabloids... I hate the silent press. 524 00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:14,297 I think the tabloids should be set on fire just to shut their mouths, set them all on fire. 525 00:55:14,461 --> 00:55:19,008 People should be aware that this it's certainly not true. 526 00:55:19,529 --> 00:55:24,376 This is sensationalism, ignorance, it's real. 527 00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:27,685 Ignorance... Look what they did poor Princess Diana. 528 00:55:27,843 --> 00:55:31,437 These people were literally hunting her. 529 00:55:32,483 --> 00:55:37,648 What does he think about what makes so much dust about your court appearance? 530 00:55:37,876 --> 00:55:41,575 That seemed like the biggest story. - Don't pay attention to it. 531 00:55:42,197 --> 00:55:44,328 Look... look! 532 00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:53,236 What was he doing? - He danced Jackson's dance?! - Whenever he starts dancing, 533 00:55:53,236 --> 00:55:58,221 the police dragged him away. - Every time. - No way to untie it. 534 00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:02,063 Poor... 535 00:56:03,103 --> 00:56:08,197 Kick, turn, catch for midnight and then they drag him away. 536 00:56:10,351 --> 00:56:15,728 We headed towards the restaurant, but Jackson's an army of fans arrived before us. 537 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,928 Including his number one fan who finally managed to dance his dance. 538 00:56:34,078 --> 00:56:38,753 How long has he been doing that�? - Ever since I was little. 539 00:56:40,750 --> 00:56:45,629 By the time we left, the atmosphere became frenzied. 540 00:56:50,660 --> 00:56:56,786 Give me the posters, come on... Give me that one please. 541 00:56:57,071 --> 00:57:00,923 I want that one! Come on, the one with the babies. 542 00:57:02,576 --> 00:57:04,317 I want more. 543 00:57:17,913 --> 00:57:19,778 Thank you very much! 544 00:57:22,474 --> 00:57:26,692 mike can i have a hug - Let her go, let her go! 545 00:57:26,692 --> 00:57:29,284 Let me in please! - Let her go! 546 00:57:32,185 --> 00:57:34,885 I want him to hug me. - Of course. 547 00:57:45,554 --> 00:57:47,744 I love you too. 548 00:58:00,419 --> 00:58:05,892 As Jackson walked back to the hotel, the Blanket incident was discussed. 549 00:58:07,490 --> 00:58:12,697 The next morning, he wanted to show me how much he cares for his children. 550 00:58:13,116 --> 00:58:15,586 I love you. - Here he is... 551 00:58:18,573 --> 00:58:23,879 Here is the bottle... - Everything is fine... - Please, Blanket, don't cry... 552 00:58:24,391 --> 00:58:26,435 Okay, here it is... 553 00:58:33,140 --> 00:58:36,610 Blanket I love you, Blanket... 554 00:58:37,172 --> 00:58:40,737 I love you. I love my children very much. 555 00:58:43,643 --> 00:58:46,830 Does he like to be fed? - Yes. 556 00:58:51,136 --> 00:58:56,042 Did you hear what people were saying? - That is total ignorance, I would never do it 557 00:58:56,042 --> 00:58:57,973 did that to his child or whatever which other child. 558 00:58:58,076 --> 00:59:00,307 That I tried to kill him? - Come on! - Nonsense. 559 00:59:00,468 --> 00:59:04,318 That I covered the child's face and tried to throw it over the balcony? 560 00:59:04,318 --> 00:59:09,054 We were waiting for thousands of fans and they asked me to show them my child. 561 00:59:09,234 --> 00:59:11,560 And I was kind enough to show it. 562 00:59:12,176 --> 00:59:14,883 I was doing something totally innocent. 563 00:59:20,948 --> 00:59:22,435 He's hungry, isn't he? 564 00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:27,542 He loves it. It's good. 565 00:59:28,226 --> 00:59:29,673 Thank you. 566 00:59:31,282 --> 00:59:35,324 Jackson's behavior me began to worry. 567 00:59:38,556 --> 00:59:43,440 Later that day, he took Prince away and Paris to the Berlin Zoo. 568 00:59:45,004 --> 00:59:50,083 It was supposed to be a family outing, but the journalists were faster. 569 00:59:50,248 --> 00:59:53,465 Someone informed them of their arrival. 570 00:59:56,437 --> 00:59:59,355 Michael wanted to see the gorillas. 571 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,458 But he was apparently blind to the fact, 572 01:00:02,631 --> 01:00:06,023 that the exit backfired and turned into complete chaos. 573 01:00:15,211 --> 01:00:17,887 I got Prince, I got him! 574 01:00:20,095 --> 01:00:26,585 I was worried about the safety of the children caught with them among a crowd of paparazzi. 575 01:00:33,305 --> 01:00:40,130 It wasn't an outing for two little kids, and everyone saw that, even Jackson. 576 01:00:59,721 --> 01:01:03,253 It was hard to believe that it was Jackson was the same man who 577 01:01:03,253 --> 01:01:04,287 I met in Neverland. 578 01:01:04,569 --> 01:01:07,946 The first opportunity where I could talk about his bizarre behavior 579 01:01:08,138 --> 01:01:10,607 was later that evening at a charity auction. 580 01:01:12,024 --> 01:01:14,236 What happened to going out to the zoo? garden today? 581 01:01:14,418 --> 01:01:18,707 I like going to the zoo, although it was difficult... 582 01:01:18,707 --> 01:01:22,251 but as long as I can see the gorillas I am satisfied alone... I love gorillas. 583 01:01:22,251 --> 01:01:26,110 Didn't Prince get hit in the eye? - A shot in the eye? - No. 584 01:01:26,148 --> 01:01:28,377 Is it okay? It's okay. 585 01:01:28,713 --> 01:01:32,456 The children were under incredible pressure, people were all around them... - Yes. 586 01:01:32,748 --> 01:01:39,687 But... I know, it's sad. From the day of birth we cover them, because the helicopters were circling 587 01:01:39,888 --> 01:01:43,730 above the hospital, there were two satellites a block down the street... 588 01:01:43,884 --> 01:01:46,995 Wouldn't it be easier if bodyguards 589 01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:54,060 and the nannies take the children to the zoo alone, but have to go through all this? 590 01:01:54,188 --> 01:01:57,197 No, because I can't risk it. 591 01:01:58,098 --> 01:02:02,066 It's better if it's my fault if they do something happens. - Really? - Yes. 592 01:02:02,066 --> 01:02:05,067 You wouldn't let them go with yours bodyguards? 593 01:02:05,247 --> 01:02:09,479 With insurance... I don't want to say a word. 594 01:02:09,807 --> 01:02:13,731 It would be difficult for me, it is very delicate. 595 01:02:14,414 --> 01:02:19,150 You had a tough week, didn't you? - Because the media accuses you of 596 01:02:19,150 --> 01:02:24,109 you were irresponsible with your children. - The media is wrong. I love my children. 597 01:02:24,205 --> 01:02:29,729 I held my son tight and strong, why would you throw the baby off the balcony? 598 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,445 That's the dumbest story I've ever heard. 599 01:02:32,637 --> 01:02:35,393 I love my children, and they know it to love them. 600 01:02:35,393 --> 01:02:39,389 Two minutes before they saw the baby, I did the same thing with Prince, 601 01:02:39,389 --> 01:02:44,365 I held him in my arms. - I saw that. - I held him tightly. 602 01:02:44,365 --> 01:02:48,563 Were you perhaps too excited? - No, they shouted for me to show them the baby. 603 01:02:48,563 --> 01:02:50,700 So I showed them the baby, I wouldn't let it fall. 604 01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:54,814 But you didn't actually show them the baby, did you is covered. - That was enough. 605 01:02:54,814 --> 01:02:58,642 And he reacted. He started to sing... 606 01:03:00,351 --> 01:03:06,375 Considering the perfect performances from childhood, even today did not discourage him 607 01:03:06,550 --> 01:03:08,807 and the show continued. 608 01:03:19,503 --> 01:03:25,261 He donated one of his jackets. - It sold for £16,000. 609 01:03:31,636 --> 01:03:36,239 The fans are still very strong tried to reach him. 610 01:03:40,317 --> 01:03:45,064 How are you? - Can I have a hug? - Of course. 611 01:03:45,524 --> 01:03:48,560 I love you. I love you more. 612 01:03:56,956 --> 01:04:00,338 Germany loves you Michael. - I love Germany too. 613 01:04:20,396 --> 01:04:24,004 This was the last evening in Berlin, and Jackson was the main award winner 614 01:04:24,004 --> 01:04:26,474 German Bambi. 615 01:04:26,860 --> 01:04:29,777 He should have received a lifetime achievement award in musical achievements, 616 01:04:30,576 --> 01:04:37,625 but again Jackson seemed very upset, and a half the first time he didn't want to find the cameras 617 01:04:37,625 --> 01:04:39,865 be directed at him. 618 01:04:44,084 --> 01:04:48,567 He just wanted us to record the excitement of the fans. 619 01:05:09,571 --> 01:05:13,415 One of his security men was screaming is the final checks backstage, 620 01:05:13,596 --> 01:05:16,928 and after that he could leave for his reward. 621 01:05:20,234 --> 01:05:24,028 A series of presentations was organized. 622 01:05:25,118 --> 01:05:31,606 But Jackson's disastrous trip to Berlin, left another humiliation for him. 623 01:05:51,853 --> 01:05:57,707 As the entire ceremony was in German, Jackson took the stage too soon. 624 01:06:06,226 --> 01:06:10,256 The confusion of all of us was painful. 625 01:06:10,494 --> 01:06:17,301 The first name on the check was not for him, but for representative of the Boris Becker award. 626 01:06:40,614 --> 01:06:45,191 The award was supposed to strengthen his position as the king of pop, 627 01:06:45,572 --> 01:06:50,126 but not until the end of this trip did nothing to confirm it. 628 01:06:58,451 --> 01:07:01,153 But there was something else that was bothering me. 629 01:07:01,351 --> 01:07:04,866 In Neverland I met one of the his good friends, 630 01:07:05,037 --> 01:07:07,416 a twelve-year-old boy. 631 01:07:26,158 --> 01:07:29,980 At the time I met Michael Jackson, we touched 632 01:07:30,168 --> 01:07:33,122 most aspects in his life, except for one. 633 01:07:33,296 --> 01:07:35,677 His relationship with children. 634 01:07:35,890 --> 01:07:40,388 For me, one of the most worrying aspects in his life story. 635 01:07:43,136 --> 01:07:48,518 As he usually did, he called the group neglected children in Neverland. 636 01:07:48,518 --> 01:07:50,933 They can't believe their luck. 637 01:07:51,372 --> 01:07:56,382 If you go down this way, you will see... the playroom is over there... see? 638 01:07:56,604 --> 01:08:01,278 See that big machine in there? - I play my games there. 639 01:08:01,771 --> 01:08:04,245 They played tennis there. 640 01:08:11,723 --> 01:08:14,571 Hey wait! We have to wait. 641 01:08:14,918 --> 01:08:16,832 Don't fall out. 642 01:08:19,543 --> 01:08:22,896 Oh my God, are you dancing too? And I will dance with you. 643 01:08:23,549 --> 01:08:25,278 I'm a little shy. 644 01:08:26,230 --> 01:08:28,590 You must dance with me. 645 01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:32,819 You know how to do a moonwalk. I learned it from you. 646 01:08:35,901 --> 01:08:39,272 Don't get up yet. Wait. I'm pretty bad. 647 01:08:39,804 --> 01:08:42,907 Okay... don't get up yet. 648 01:08:47,089 --> 01:08:49,040 OK, now you can. 649 01:08:49,260 --> 01:08:51,768 But don't run, whatever you do don't run. 650 01:09:11,820 --> 01:09:17,139 He undoubtedly enjoyed the company of children, and they also enjoyed it. 651 01:09:23,456 --> 01:09:26,709 Next I will make a "roller coaster", he will go there... 652 01:09:30,025 --> 01:09:31,999 I will build it, I will build a water park 653 01:09:32,034 --> 01:09:33,713 on the other side of the mountain. 654 01:09:34,796 --> 01:09:39,691 No, we won't. - We will build it. Well, we can come in customer costumes. 655 01:09:39,872 --> 01:09:42,561 Michael can we go everywhere? - Yes, of course. 656 01:09:44,786 --> 01:09:49,464 What the children wanted, they got. and everything was free. 657 01:09:49,645 --> 01:09:53,399 And for one day, Jackson was one of them. 658 01:09:55,325 --> 01:09:57,101 Can I have one too? 659 01:10:01,684 --> 01:10:03,957 Me, me, me... 660 01:10:06,235 --> 01:10:07,690 Excuse me. 661 01:10:11,781 --> 01:10:16,639 But the problem was, that's who I am everyone else, we knew that 10 years ago. 662 01:10:16,890 --> 01:10:20,574 children invited to spend the night in Neverland. 663 01:10:21,302 --> 01:10:26,522 One of them, a thirteen-year-old boy, accused Jackson of sexual abuse, 664 01:10:26,522 --> 01:10:29,900 a claim that cost him millions of dollars. 665 01:10:30,129 --> 01:10:35,836 I assumed that it would be in the future more careful, but to my second astonishment 666 01:10:35,836 --> 01:10:40,454 I found that the children still sleep here, sometimes at his house, 667 01:10:40,619 --> 01:10:43,219 sometimes in his bedroom. 668 01:10:46,178 --> 01:10:50,603 And then I met a twelve-year-old Gavin, his brother and sister. 669 01:10:51,437 --> 01:10:57,491 Gavin met Jackson two years ago, after they told him he was dying of cancer. 670 01:11:01,300 --> 01:11:08,672 �that's Gavin in Michael da ga so it connects with children? 671 01:11:08,815 --> 01:11:10,296 What is that? 672 01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:19,533 Because he is actually a child at heart, he behaves as a child, he knows what it's like to be a child and 673 01:11:19,533 --> 01:11:28,131 knows how the child thinks. I don't think it has to� to be grown up just because someone says so 674 01:11:28,131 --> 01:11:31,745 that you are over 18 years old grown up it's not really important. 675 01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:34,749 You're grown up when you want to be grown up. 676 01:11:34,784 --> 01:11:38,273 Isn't that great? He is no longer sick. No more cancer. 677 01:11:38,893 --> 01:11:43,324 Everything is gone. - He is bigger than me now. 678 01:11:44,025 --> 01:11:46,003 And they told him he was going to die. 679 01:11:46,462 --> 01:11:47,500 Isn't that great? 680 01:11:47,737 --> 01:11:53,311 They told my parents that they were planning for him funeral, because they said there was no chance. 681 01:11:53,311 --> 01:11:58,580 They said you were planning a funeral? - Yes. - They said it won't grow, 682 01:11:58,769 --> 01:12:03,940 that she won't be able to have children... 683 01:12:04,131 --> 01:12:06,819 I even grew a few centimeters. 684 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,394 You see, medicine doesn't always know everything. 685 01:12:09,634 --> 01:12:15,490 According to Gavin, Michael's friendship and support helped him beat cancer. 686 01:12:15,735 --> 01:12:18,682 They have remained close friends ever since. 687 01:12:19,076 --> 01:12:26,275 When does he stay here, does he stay in the house? Does Michael let you enjoy everything? 688 01:12:26,463 --> 01:12:29,982 One night I was in the yard and I asked can I stay and sleep in the room, 689 01:12:30,186 --> 01:12:31,919 and let me sleep in his room, I told him: 690 01:12:32,074 --> 01:12:34,370 "Michael, you sleep on the bed." and he said: 691 01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:37,660 "No, don't sleep on the bed." 692 01:12:36,847 --> 01:12:41,361 I wanted him to sleep on the bed, and at the end he said: 693 01:12:41,554 --> 01:12:47,142 "OK, if he loves me, he will sleep on the bed." 694 01:12:47,524 --> 01:12:49,660 And so I slept on the bed. 695 01:12:49,869 --> 01:12:54,576 It was fun that night. - I was sleeping on the floor. I didn't sleep on the bed? 696 01:12:54,978 --> 01:12:58,957 No, you put a bunch of covers on floor and you slept there. 697 01:12:59,564 --> 01:13:03,951 But Michael, you are a 44-year-old man. 698 01:13:04,853 --> 01:13:08,755 When will he outgrow that? 699 01:13:09,296 --> 01:13:11,016 He is 4 years old. - If I am 4 years old. 700 01:13:11,284 --> 01:13:19,297 I like... what I get from them, they also get from me. 701 01:13:19,499 --> 01:13:24,017 I've said it many times, my greatest inspirations come from children, 702 01:13:24,017 --> 01:13:28,054 every song I write, every dance that I dance, the poetry that I write... 703 01:13:28,274 --> 01:13:34,488 everything is inspired by that innocence, purity of consciousness, and children have it. 704 01:13:34,488 --> 01:13:43,168 I see God in children's faces, and... That's why I like to be surrounded by them all the time. 705 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,661 Still staying up late? Once upon a time I call you at home and it's very late, 706 01:13:47,661 --> 01:13:50,720 "Yes... yes" - So you say yes I call so late! 707 01:13:50,907 --> 01:13:59,472 When people hear that children from other families they come here and sleep in your room... 708 01:13:59,944 --> 01:14:03,484 Very little. - Let them stay. 709 01:14:04,063 --> 01:14:10,066 And then they say if it is suitable for a man, a grown man to do that? 710 01:14:10,385 --> 01:14:14,313 What answer to that? - I feel sorry for them because they condemn someone 711 01:14:14,313 --> 01:14:18,290 who really wants to help people. - Why not share your bed? 712 01:14:18,938 --> 01:14:22,985 One of the most beautiful things is to share your bed with someone. 713 01:14:23,343 --> 01:14:35,316 Do you really mean that? - Yes. - Of course. - Want my bed? 714 01:14:35,316 --> 01:14:40,979 Sleep in it. - I will sleep on the floor. It's yours, I always give my guests the best. 715 01:14:41,177 --> 01:14:43,884 Like him. He wanted to sleep on to the floor, I said: 716 01:14:43,884 --> 01:14:46,319 "No, you will sleep on the bed and I will sleep on the floor! " 717 01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:50,428 Is there a spare room or guest room available? the house where he could stay? 718 01:14:50,428 --> 01:14:55,737 Yes, I have guest rooms, but every child who comes here always wants to stay with me. 719 01:14:55,915 --> 01:15:00,105 They never want to stay in guest rooms, and I never invite them to my room. 720 01:15:00,430 --> 01:15:03,201 They always want to be with me... they ask: "Can I stay with you tonight?" 721 01:15:03,201 --> 01:15:06,372 I ask: "Do your parents agree with this?" "Okay, you can." 722 01:15:07,192 --> 01:15:11,963 Gavin are your parents happy �to are you here with michael? 723 01:15:12,134 --> 01:15:18,286 Yes, mine are very, very happy. I know that they are happy because I am happy. 724 01:15:18,388 --> 01:15:19,737 Are they coming here with you? 725 01:15:19,951 --> 01:15:25,249 Mostly yes, but most of the time I spend with Michael. 726 01:15:25,873 --> 01:15:29,089 But are they happy that you are here? - Yes. 727 01:15:36,987 --> 01:15:40,044 I felt great discomfort after of this conversation. 728 01:15:40,377 --> 01:15:44,835 I knew I had to face Jackson Fr what I think about his obsession with children. 729 01:15:44,835 --> 01:15:46,990 It cannot be escaped. 730 01:15:49,333 --> 01:15:53,786 At the beginning of the new year, Jackson agreed let this be our last conversation. 731 01:15:53,966 --> 01:15:56,409 This time in Miami, Florida. 732 01:15:57,662 --> 01:16:01,798 There were unanswered questions, lots of them, parts of his life 733 01:16:01,798 --> 01:16:05,008 which I think he was less than honest about. 734 01:16:05,308 --> 01:16:10,926 His face, denying plastic surgery, his relationship with Blanket's mom, 735 01:16:11,701 --> 01:16:16,415 and of course I wanted to go back to sleeping in Neverland. 736 01:16:16,897 --> 01:16:21,069 Facing him will not be easy, but it has to happen. 737 01:16:28,182 --> 01:16:32,573 While we were preparing for the interview, the atmosphere was unusually tense. 738 01:16:33,768 --> 01:16:37,683 This time, Jackson brought his own lighting expert. 739 01:16:39,682 --> 01:16:41,290 Maybe there was a reason for that. 740 01:16:41,572 --> 01:16:46,234 Cosmetic surgery will be the goal some difficult questions. 741 01:16:47,444 --> 01:16:55,477 When we talked a while ago, you talked about that while you were passing by 742 01:16:55,657 --> 01:17:00,021 through puberty that it was difficult for you period... - Yes.. 743 01:17:00,192 --> 01:17:04,412 I actually looked at some pictures of you in that period, 744 01:17:05,616 --> 01:17:08,899 and you had a lot of stories... - Yes. 745 01:17:10,308 --> 01:17:18,152 Yes. - One of the things you must have used to overcome� it is a change in one's appearance. 746 01:17:18,152 --> 01:17:26,684 You changed physically, your pictures when I look... - That's not called puberty, 747 01:17:26,877 --> 01:17:30,947 it's called growing up and changing. - Yes, but the shape of your face has also changed. 748 01:17:30,947 --> 01:17:36,644 No, it's not, I didn't have plastic surgery on my face, just the nose. 749 01:17:36,966 --> 01:17:39,544 It helps me to breathe better and to be able to achieve higher tones. 750 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:44,708 But did Michael honestly claim that you had just one operation? 751 01:17:44,888 --> 01:17:50,228 Two. - You had two? - As far as I remember, only two. 752 01:17:50,228 --> 01:17:54,838 But when I look at some of your photos from puberty... - Yes, I have changed. 753 01:17:54,838 --> 01:17:57,742 People change... - Yes, but also after when you released "Thriller"... 754 01:17:57,958 --> 01:18:01,648 Your lips are different now than before were then. - No... no... no 755 01:18:01,893 --> 01:18:06,142 But they look different. - No, I'm sorry. - You don't think so? - No, I'm sorry. 756 01:18:06,326 --> 01:18:10,697 Answer me honestly, for some reasons i can understand because... 757 01:18:10,849 --> 01:18:15,200 I am happy with my lips. No... Forget the lips... 758 01:18:15,235 --> 01:18:18,251 Everyone in Hollywood goes to plastic surgery, plastic surgery 759 01:18:18,251 --> 01:18:22,754 they were not invented for Michael Jackson. - No, I'm not suggesting that. - Everyone does it. 760 01:18:22,754 --> 01:18:28,146 I say that sometimes people go too far, sometimes... if they have enough money 761 01:18:28,344 --> 01:18:34,120 and they have the opportunity... sometimes I can think: "Oh, I'll do some things!", especially 762 01:18:34,975 --> 01:18:40,781 considering your childhood. While we are talked, I started to understand 763 01:18:41,471 --> 01:18:46,459 how hard it was for you, how old you are was unhappy as a child. - Yes... 764 01:18:46,817 --> 01:18:51,545 How unhappy you were as an adolescent because of your looks, you told me 765 01:18:52,013 --> 01:18:57,337 in Neverland that your father used to insult you, you told me in Las Vegas that your father 766 01:18:57,516 --> 01:19:00,446 used to tease by the nose... - Yes... - So I can understand why you are 767 01:19:00,446 --> 01:19:06,533 wanted to change his appearance, it makes sense. I wouldn't want to... - Just that, not the whole face. 768 01:19:06,710 --> 01:19:11,006 Just the nose, they keep saying: "Why? constantly changing? "That's not true. 769 01:19:11,381 --> 01:19:15,225 Just the nose... you know... - Even though your face shape is different? 770 01:19:15,446 --> 01:19:21,784 Because I changed... I was a child. - No, I'm talking about when you were 20 years old. 771 01:19:21,919 --> 01:19:24,783 No... I've changed. 772 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,277 I have changed. I'm telling you really honestly. 773 01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:32,508 I didn't do anything to my face. - Honestly? - Honestly! 774 01:19:37,575 --> 01:19:43,596 We broke up, but not for long. Second stop, my concern for the children. 775 01:19:48,127 --> 01:19:53,793 When I talked one day with Princeom, he told me he doesn't have a mom. 776 01:19:54,141 --> 01:19:55,996 He said he didn't have a mom? - Yes. I asked him: 777 01:19:55,996 --> 01:20:00,198 "Prince where is your mom?", and he said: "I don't have a mom." 778 01:20:01,506 --> 01:20:02,671 That's right. 779 01:20:02,907 --> 01:20:05,381 Did you tell him to say that? - No. 780 01:20:05,700 --> 01:20:07,668 �he thinks� he meant when does he say he doesn't have a mom? 781 01:20:08,064 --> 01:20:11,476 As he said, he doesn't have a mom. 782 01:20:10,957 --> 01:20:15,478 Don't you think your children would be better off? to have contact with their mother? 783 01:20:16,090 --> 01:20:22,578 No, because she... It's private information. She doesn't... 784 01:20:23,672 --> 01:20:26,303 She can't stand it. 785 01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:28,132 Can't stand her kids? 786 01:20:28,313 --> 01:20:31,401 She prefers them with me, and not with her. 787 01:20:32,134 --> 01:20:36,393 Did you know that she doesn't want any relationship with children when you married her? 788 01:20:36,602 --> 01:20:40,901 That. - She made it for me. She did it for me. 789 01:20:41,068 --> 01:20:44,457 So if I understood correctly... - She is a wonderful person. 790 01:20:44,697 --> 01:20:48,169 She knew that Michael Jackson loves children... 791 01:20:48,358 --> 01:20:51,696 Yes. - And that Michael Jackson wants children... - That's why... 792 01:20:51,849 --> 01:20:54,248 She wanted me to be a dad. 793 01:20:55,133 --> 01:20:56,073 Good. 794 01:20:56,826 --> 01:21:00,836 She said she should� be a dad? More than she should be a mom? 795 01:21:00,836 --> 01:21:04,394 Yes, she wanted to do it for me as a gift. 796 01:21:07,022 --> 01:21:11,083 As a gift? - Yes, yes. - What does he mean? 797 01:21:11,247 --> 01:21:14,856 It's a gift. I was walking around holding hands a doll in her hands. 798 01:21:15,161 --> 01:21:18,128 What? - Yes. - Because I really wanted children. 799 01:21:18,128 --> 01:21:23,806 You just said that she is your wife gave birth to two children as a gift to you, 800 01:21:24,061 --> 01:21:27,974 because she knew he wanted to be your father? - Yes, and that's a nice gesture. 801 01:21:28,347 --> 01:21:29,836 It's an amazing gesture. 802 01:21:30,008 --> 01:21:33,296 Yes, there are surrogate mothers who do that they work every day. 803 01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,776 It happens every day in the world. It's happening right now. 804 01:21:35,946 --> 01:21:37,721 Is that how Blanket was born? 805 01:21:37,756 --> 01:21:40,801 I used a surrogate mother and my sperm, 806 01:21:40,976 --> 01:21:44,750 I used my own sperm for another two children, they are my children. 807 01:21:44,895 --> 01:21:49,801 But I used a surrogate mother, she doesn't know me and I don't know her. 808 01:21:51,113 --> 01:21:54,364 And so my son was born. - How did you choose your mother? 809 01:21:54,547 --> 01:21:56,906 Nothing was important to me, as long as she is healthy. 810 01:21:57,501 --> 01:22:03,906 Race didn't matter to me, just that it did healthy, and that her visions are fine, 811 01:22:04,208 --> 01:22:09,116 and her intelligence... I was interested how intelligent she is. 812 01:22:09,397 --> 01:22:18,102 Would you conceive a child with a black woman? - Of course, of course... 813 01:22:18,275 --> 01:22:24,000 But I saw Blanket and I can be sure say his mom is probably white? 814 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,281 No, you're wrong. - Am I wrong? - Yes. - Really? - Yes. 815 01:22:27,462 --> 01:22:29,553 So Blanket's mother is black? - Yes. 816 01:22:29,868 --> 01:22:31,802 But Blanket is so white. 817 01:22:32,050 --> 01:22:37,176 They call black people colored people because we come in various colors, 818 01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:41,613 from very bright like my hand, to very dark like your shirt. 819 01:22:41,903 --> 01:22:48,739 My father has blue eyes, and when people they see Paris think he has eyes on Debbie. 820 01:22:48,739 --> 01:22:53,263 But it could also be my father's genes. - Really? - Of course. 821 01:22:53,636 --> 01:22:57,858 He thinks when he will have his next one child? - I wish I could today. 822 01:22:58,036 --> 01:22:58,897 Really? 823 01:22:59,363 --> 01:23:07,949 I was thinking of adopting two children from each continent. - Really? - Yes. 824 01:23:09,464 --> 01:23:13,379 A boy and a girl... - From each continent? - Every continent. 825 01:23:13,558 --> 01:23:14,965 That's my dream. 826 01:23:17,915 --> 01:23:23,523 And so we returned to our conversation in Neverland with twelve-year-old Gavin. 827 01:23:23,756 --> 01:23:28,145 I found this to be the most worrying moment in the last six months. 828 01:23:33,582 --> 01:23:39,270 While you were talking about the kids, I met Gavin, and it was a great honor to meet Gavin, 829 01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:42,895 because he had a lot of suffering in his life. - Yeah... - When Gavin was there 830 01:23:42,895 --> 01:23:46,164 he was talking about sharing your room. - Yes. 831 01:23:46,491 --> 01:23:49,235 Does he understand why people are worried about it? 832 01:23:49,406 --> 01:23:51,462 Because they are ignorant. 833 01:23:51,944 --> 01:23:59,079 But is it really appropriate that the 44-year-old a man shares a bedroom with a child 834 01:23:59,079 --> 01:24:02,018 who has nothing to do with his family relationship? - That is the most beautiful thing. 835 01:24:02,198 --> 01:24:05,156 That's nothing to worry about? - Why worry? 836 01:24:05,338 --> 01:24:08,417 Who is the criminal? Who is Jack the Ripper in the room? 837 01:24:09,271 --> 01:24:14,549 One man wants to help, wants to heal child. I sleep in a bag on the floor, 838 01:24:14,747 --> 01:24:19,878 I give him a bed, because he has a brother who called Star, the two took the bed, 839 01:24:20,093 --> 01:24:23,035 and I'm on the floor in a sack. - Have you ever? slept in bed with them? 840 01:24:23,203 --> 01:24:25,864 Not. - But I slept in bed with many children. 841 01:24:26,023 --> 01:24:27,536 I sleep in the bed with all of them. 842 01:24:27,538 --> 01:24:32,175 When Macaulay Culkin was little, his brother was sleeping on one side, he was sleeping 843 01:24:32,471 --> 01:24:36,237 on the other hand, his sisters were the same, we were all mixed up on the bed, 844 01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:43,714 and they would wake up at dawn, and go to the airport balloon. We have pictures, I have all the pictures... 845 01:24:43,714 --> 01:24:46,452 But is that okay Michael? - It's very fine. 846 01:24:46,658 --> 01:24:53,805 That is very beautiful, that is what the world needs now. More love... - The world needs a man 847 01:24:53,805 --> 01:24:56,554 who is 44 years old. and sleeps in bed with children? 848 01:24:56,751 --> 01:24:58,859 No, you didn't misinterpret everything. 849 01:24:58,894 --> 01:25:03,068 Tell me, help me. - Because he has it bad at giving love? 850 01:25:03,258 --> 01:25:07,630 You don't sleep with your children or to some other child who needs love, 851 01:25:07,804 --> 01:25:09,165 which had no childhood? 852 01:25:08,164 --> 01:25:13,640 No, I'm not sleeping. - I wouldn't even dream. - I would. Because you weren't there 853 01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:18,838 where I was, mentally. - �what does he think� What would people say if I said: 854 01:25:19,162 --> 01:25:24,455 "I invited some of my daughter's friends and he will sleep in my bed tonight. " 855 01:25:24,583 --> 01:25:26,706 That's fine. - What does he think? what will their parents say? 856 01:25:26,887 --> 01:25:32,788 If they're crazy, they'll say they can't, but if they are your close family friends, 857 01:25:32,968 --> 01:25:37,807 and knows them well... - But Michael, I would not like to 858 01:25:37,975 --> 01:25:41,486 my children sleep in anyone's bed. 859 01:25:41,737 --> 01:25:43,094 Well, I wouldn't mind, 860 01:25:43,297 --> 01:25:48,008 if I know the person well. I'm very close to Barry Gibb 861 01:25:48,699 --> 01:25:52,874 Paris and Prince can stay with them anytime. My kids sleep with other people all the time. 862 01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:58,888 Are you happy with that? - I agree with that. They are honest, dear people, they are not Jack the Ripper. 863 01:25:59,097 --> 01:26:04,011 Namely, the problem with most people is that what happened in 1993 864 01:26:04,217 --> 01:26:06,360 Or it didn't happen... 865 01:26:05,695 --> 01:26:07,188 That didn't happen. 866 01:26:08,548 --> 01:26:13,359 Try to remember how you felt when you were first time I heard that it will be raised 867 01:26:13,359 --> 01:26:18,897 indictment against you? - It was crazy, and I'm not allowed to talk about it. 868 01:26:19,132 --> 01:26:22,174 But how did you feel about what happened? spoke, I'm asking you to speak� 869 01:26:22,174 --> 01:26:26,072 what was said about it. - I was shocked because... 870 01:26:27,644 --> 01:26:32,438 God knows how much I adore children. - Isn't that exactly the problem, because when 871 01:26:32,438 --> 01:26:36,520 he never invites children to his bed he does not know what will happen. 872 01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:42,233 But when he says bed, he means sexual, they mean sexual, it's not sexual. 873 01:26:42,460 --> 01:26:47,609 But... Let's go to sleep, I cover them, i play music 874 01:26:47,814 --> 01:26:51,206 I read a story... Be sweet. I light the fireplace... 875 01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:55,653 I give them warm milk and biscuits, it is very �armant. 876 01:26:55,820 --> 01:26:58,764 It's very sweet. It would the whole world should have worked. 877 01:26:58,998 --> 01:27:06,412 The reason you didn't go to jail, is why you agreed financially. 878 01:27:06,412 --> 01:27:11,839 Yes, yes. I didn't want a long trial on TV as it was with O. Jo and everything 879 01:27:11,839 --> 01:27:15,286 those stupid things. It wouldn't seem ok i said: 880 01:27:15,452 --> 01:27:17,549 "Let's finish with that, I'll continue with his life 881 01:27:17,584 --> 01:27:21,161 that's funny, I've had enough." 882 01:27:22,615 --> 01:27:28,071 The questioning went much further, but consensually the contract he signed means that you 883 01:27:28,071 --> 01:27:32,767 we can't play that part of the interview. The questions really upset him. 884 01:27:34,706 --> 01:27:40,272 Children don't even eat with their children anymore with fathers, with mothers... 885 01:27:40,581 --> 01:27:43,426 The family link is broken. 886 01:27:43,654 --> 01:27:48,544 There's an outcry out there to pay attention to why children go to school with guns. 887 01:27:48,579 --> 01:27:51,731 They want love, they want to be caressed, to hug them... 888 01:27:51,936 --> 01:27:57,911 With busy daily responsibilities and even when they are at home, they are at the computer... 889 01:27:58,132 --> 01:28:02,182 and then they do different crazy things... and that destroys our world! 890 01:28:02,844 --> 01:28:08,037 We need to reconnect, that is very important, Martin. 891 01:28:08,127 --> 01:28:10,360 Why does it mean so much to you? 892 01:28:12,511 --> 01:28:19,613 I am very sensitive to their pain, and on family, human relationships 893 01:28:19,613 --> 01:28:26,876 on that topic. That means a lot to me and I want to help in any way I can. 894 01:28:27,161 --> 01:28:32,323 As I said before, I already said it a million times and I'm not afraid to say it again, 895 01:28:32,892 --> 01:28:37,127 that there are no children in the world, that someone announce that all the children are dead, 896 01:28:37,389 --> 01:28:42,691 I would jump off the balcony right now, I'm done... I'm done. 897 01:28:57,961 --> 01:29:03,710 And so I left Michael Jackson, as he prepared to return to Neverland. 898 01:29:03,959 --> 01:29:09,872 What I realized is that Neverland not only a home near L.A., 899 01:29:10,210 --> 01:29:14,434 it's Michael Jackson's world wherever he is. 900 01:29:14,823 --> 01:29:19,875 The place where his huge let wealth do what it will, 901 01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:22,960 when he wants it, how he wants it. 902 01:29:23,657 --> 01:29:27,930 It's a place he made, He lived there since childhood, 903 01:29:28,176 --> 01:29:31,741 and it was clear that he would never leave there. 904 01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:37,589 But for me, it was time to say goodbye and I say goodbye to Neverland.